Peter: Re my previous msg: the vis5d doc says: "Note that on systems which don't have 3-d graphics hardware or OpenGL, all 3-d rendering is done in software using Mesa (an OpenGL work-alike). Be aware that software rendering is rather slow. 3-d graphics hardware is recommended." This sounds like I need both OpenGL and 3-d graphics hardware for fast 3-d hardware rendering. The OpenGL at hao announcement from Leonard says: "The implementation which we are installing is called "Mesa". It is a free implementation of OpenGL 1.1. The API is very similar to OpenGL." Does this mean we have only Mesa GL, not OpenGL proper? If so that might mean 3-d rendering in vis5d would be in software even if we do have 3-d graphics hardware. I recall from CAG meeting that only 1 of the 3 tiso upgrades (the one to go in the cedar analysis room) was part of the 10 Sparc20 Sun promo machines, so we can choose sparc5 or sparc20 for the remaining 2 machines bought w/ Ray's ONR money. If $$ is an issue, only 1 of these would need to have the 3d hardware. I can't remember which machine you had decided on, but the info I have indicates that the Sparc5S24 does *not* have 3-d graphics so we should go w/ sparc5ZX, sparc20ZX, or sparc20SX. The lit I got from Leonard does *not* include OpenGL in the list of "Graphics Software Interfaces" supported by the sparc20SX, so if that is true I would think the ZX buffer would be best (however, this info is dated Nov 95, so yours is more up to date). --Ben